Whose job is it to make sure everyone thinks their narrative is being ‘listened to?’ As long as there is someone in the world who claims they are oppressed by having to show respect for other people, this narrative continues which says “Waaa! I can’t say what I want!” I can remember before digital when only a tiny number of people were ever ‘heard’ at all. I don’t see how it’s ‘Oppressive’ that other people have opinions too, even if I think they are wrong. That is just Life. Men are being fed these really Easy Narratives that justify violence because they are ‘frustrated.’ Real men do not do violence and use frustration as an excuse. Real men do not assume it’s someone’s job to make sure they are ‘listened to’ and responded to with enough encouragement, even at the expense of sharing their OWN ‘truth.’ Sorry, but if we are to see ourselves as a stronger gender we need to just shoulder those burdens. Nobody OWES you being listened to and told you are right, if that is not what they think, and you are very privileged to even ask.
Skeptical Surrealist Posts
On the Occasion of the US Pull-Out from Afghanistan.
I say if the US had dropped an equal weight of McDonald’s food on ‘enemies’ in Afghanistan, instead of bombs and shells, they would be dead by now.I suppose I feel sorry for people who are really surprised that the US domination of that country was largely Fictional, as is the US pull-out now. That is the kindest face to put on the people who demanded and got that killing spree and heroin adventure. This video is a commentary on the economics of mass butchery.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpiZTvlWx2g
The idea that the US was accomplishing some ‘moral good’ does not even pass the Laugh Test. Just put that away.
Nothing upsets Americans like the Truth. I guess a lot are facing certain truths for the first time.
Maybe, just maybe, it was dumb to believe the invasion of Afghanistan ever had anything to do with helping women in the first place? The US military is the very last institution on earth who’d ever actually do anything in the interests of humanitarianism and the very last institution you’d ever want to. https://caitlinjohnstone.substack.com/p/afghanistan-shenanigans
What Beau Says. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI7FTx2_lB0
Music i dig.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVYD1D62VDk
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“In the process we sacrificed a lot of wealth, we sacrificed a lot of time, we sacrificed a lot of lives, not just American lives, but coalition lives and especially Afghan lives, to walk away essentially having accomplished not a lot. That’s a really hard thing to stomach.” [Although apparently getting paid to fart around there for 20 years was easy to stomach, just like extending the ‘Mission’ till Doomsday or Victory, whatever that is.]
If they did not know that before, and choose to kill for money anyway, then they failed at Due Diligence. At some point Individual Responsibility has got to kick in, and all the lies and propaganda stop being an excuse for putting on a uniform, and killing for money. It was all about the Money from the start, and putting the U$ Dollar above all other VALUES was the agenda all along, by deadly force and WMD’s if Necessary.What would it take to make you abandon everything you care about and sell out to foreigners for their foreign Currency? How many times would they have to bomb your family before you just gave up? If you already know you would Never give up, then you are already smarter than anyone who went to war in Afghanistan, even at the level of the Joint Chiefs and POTUS.
GARDEN GROVE, Calif., July 20 (Reuters) – Jason Lilley was a special operations forces Marine Raider who fought in multiple battles in Iraq and Afghanistan during America’s longest war.
As Lilley, 41, reflects on President Joe Biden’s decision to end America’s military mission in Afghanistan on Aug. 31, he expresses love for his country, but disgust at its politicians and dismay at the blood and money squandered. Comrades were killed and maimed in wars he says were unwinnable, making him rethink his country and his life.
“A hundred percent we lost the war,” Lilley said. “The whole point was to get rid of the Taliban and we didn’t do that. The Taliban will take over.”
Biden says that the Afghan people must decide their own future and that America should not have to sacrifice another generation in an unwinnable war.
Al Qaeda’s 9/11 attacks on America triggered a nearly 20-year conflict that led to more than 3,500 U.S. and allied military deaths, the deaths of more than 47,000 Afghan civilians, the killing of at least 66,000 Afghan troops, and over 2.7 million Afghans fleeing the county, according to the nonpartisan Costs of War project at Brown University.
“Was it worth it? It’s a big ass question,” said Lilley, who was on the front lines of America’s Global War on Terror in Iraq and Afghanistan for almost 16 years.
He said he deployed believing troops were there to defeat the enemy, stimulate the economy and uplift Afghanistan as a whole. They failed, he said.
“I don’t think one life was worth it on both sides,” Lilley said as he described his service and his perspective in an interview at his home in Garden Grove, southeast of Los Angeles.
Lilley is not alone in reflecting on the U.S. withdrawal after nearly 20 years of war. Many Americans are. The perspectives of Lilley and other veterans can help inform the country about the costs of entering war and the lessons to be learned from Afghanistan.
Lilley’s opinions are his own and some veterans differ, just as Americans generally have different estimations about a war that improved women’s rights and led in 2011 to U.S. Navy SEALS killing al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden in Pakistan.
‘VIETSTAN’
Biden’s withdrawal has bipartisan support. A July 12-13 Reuters/Ipsos poll showed only about three in 10 Democrats and four in 10 Republicans believe the military should remain.
Lilley and other Marines who served in Afghanistan and who spoke to Reuters compared it with the conflict in Vietnam. They say both wars had no clear objective, multiple U.S. presidents in charge, and a fierce and non-uniformed enemy.
Part of Lilley’s support network is Jordan Laird, 34, a former Marine scout sniper who described completing combat tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, which Laird and others called “Vietstan.”
“You have a deeper understanding of the plight of the Vietnam vets who came home with lost limbs and being completely and utterly tossed to one side,” said Laird, who now campaigns to improve veteran care.
He served in Sangin Valley in Helmand Province, one of the most fiercely contested parts of Afghanistan, from October 2010 to April 2011. In his first three months, he said, 25 members of Laird’s unit were killed in action and more than 200 were wounded. His best friend bled to death in his arms.
While in Afghanistan, Lilley said he grew to understand why historians have called it the “graveyard of empires.”
Britain invaded Afghanistan twice in the 19th century and suffered one of its worst military defeats there in 1842. The Soviet Union occupied Afghanistan from 1979 to 1989, leaving after 15,000 of its troops were killed and tens of thousands were wounded.
Lilley says he was particularly disillusioned by the U.S. military rules of engagement in Afghanistan. He and other units were not allowed to make night raids on the Taliban, for example.
“Marines aren’t designed to kiss babies and pass out flyers. We are there to eradicate. We can’t do both. So we tried and failed,” Lilley said.
The U.S. Marine Corps referred Reuters to U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM), the military command in charge of the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, when asked about Lilley’s comment.
In an email, CENTCOM had no comment about Lilley’s criticisms.
A turning point in Lilley’s thinking came when a Taliban prisoner told him the Taliban would wait out the United States and knew Americans would lose faith in the war, just as the Soviets did.
“That was 2009. Here we are in 2021, and he was right,” Lilley said. “Why did we lose guys? Why?”
RETURNING FROM AFGHANISTAN
Back from the battlefield, Lilley, physically fit and heavily tattooed, said he could not even look at the U.S. flag for several years because he felt so angry that his country had sent him and his colleagues to an unwinnable war. He says he has seen several mental health counselors, but his greatest support network is fellow veterans.
Lilley is vice president of the veteran-operated Reel Warrior Foundation, which gives veterans a chance to break from the struggles of re-adapting to civilian life by taking them on fishing trips.
He said he is disappointed that the United States does not seem to have learned lessons from Vietnam, where 58,000 American troops were killed in a war that failed to stop Communist North Vietnam taking over the entire Vietnamese peninsula.
“We should avoid war at all costs,” Lilley said. “Don’t rush into the racket of war, into the machine of making money, contracts. A lot of people made a lot of money off of this.”
He said it took him years to let go of his anger.
“I mean I knew what I was getting into, I mean I grew up on Rambo. I wanted to honor my family in the sense my grandfather fought in War World Two, I wanted to go down that same route and do the selfless thing, but it turns into reality quickly.”
Another of Lilley’s Iraq and Afghanistan veteran buddies is Tristan Wimmer, also a Marine scout sniper. Wimmer’s brother Kiernan, also a Marine veteran, died by suicide in 2015 after receiving a traumatic brain injury in Iraq before deploying to Afghanistan.
Wimmer, 37, now runs “22 Jumps,” holding fundraising events where he does 22 parachute base jumps in a day to raise awareness about the scourge of veteran suicide. The Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) estimated in 2012 that 22 U.S. veterans die by suicide each day.
A VA spokesperson said via email that the department is dedicated to former veterans’ physical and mental health. This starts with a program called VA Solid Start (VASS), which ensures all veterans returning to civilian life are aware of and have access to an array of help and benefits. Contact is made with them three times in their first year out of the military.
Help under VASS is tailored to a veteran’s individual needs and includes access to mental healthcare and resources to ease the stress during the transition to civilian life.
Wimmer said of Afghanistan: “By any metric you choose to measure it, it was a fruitless effort. Getting rid of al Qaeda or the Taliban – we didn’t succeed. Increased peace and prosperity for the Afghan people? We didn’t succeed.
“In the process we sacrificed a lot of wealth, we sacrificed a lot of time, we sacrificed a lot of lives, not just American lives, but coalition lives and especially Afghan lives, to walk away essentially having accomplished not a lot. That’s a really hard thing to stomach.”
Reporting by Tim Reid; Editing by Donna Bryson and Daniel Wallis
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/we-lost-some-us-veterans-say-blood-spilled-afghanistan-was-wasted-2021-07-20/
Comments closedNazis killed millions on purpose. Americans are killing millions out of sheer ineptitude and willful stupidity, while spending more money fighting Covid than they did fighting 2 World Wars- fighting the ‘economic effects:’ giving free money to people already rich so they can definitely remain rich no matter what. Seriously. If you got an actual check in the mail from the Gov, how big do you think the check was that the Real Players got, the ones that Grease the Wheels of Kleptocracy and Liararchy? Enough to Break the Bank. That’s how much. And that is what will prolly cum Next.
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If Whites and their Faithful Native Guides are going to get offended when people say “You dropped bombs on my town and killed my family for nothing but your money and your Pride,” then perhaps they should stop going around the world murdering people.
Then they say the same standards apply to everybody, which is just a vicious Lie. They helped Trump ruin our country and kill a million Americans, and got paid handsomely for doing so, and now persecute anyone who tells the truth about that.
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